Far Cough
5:15 Mon Mar 7
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Suarez might not dive as much but he sure likes a nibble
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madeeasy
5:13 Mon Mar 7
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Om the lino flagged. now if a lino flags and thinks it is a penalty then the next movement is to put the flag across his chest to signal as such. he didn't do that.
that's why they have different flag waving and pointing ways for them to communicate.
however the ref then went over and after talking to the lino he gave a penalty.
the decision, as we've gone over already, is about opinions and ours differ on this one.....
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Marston Hammer
5:11 Mon Mar 7
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Suarez doesn't dive?
I'd put my mortgage on him going down just as easy if he'd been in benteke's shoes yesterday.
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collyrob
5:10 Mon Mar 7
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@trevor8sinclair: Luis Suarez reminding @LFC fans how a striker stays on his feet under pressure from challenges and scores anyway #BentekeDive
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One McAvennieeeeee
5:08 Mon Mar 7
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madeeasy - So you think the ref gave a penalty with him and the lino not being sure?
In that case, and if true, both should be struck off.
I suspect, one of them thought it was defo a pen. I make whoever it was right n all.
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gph
5:04 Mon Mar 7
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It's just another example of taking intent out of the laws of the game leading to ridiculous decisions which are "right" according to them, but in conflict with common sense.
The fouling player tried to pull out, and got no advantage from the foul.
Put intent back, making it necessary for a foul to either be intentional or reckless. Yes, it can be difficult to determine intent, but at present we're in a situation where obviously unintentional "fouls" are treated incredibly harshly
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madeeasy
5:03 Mon Mar 7
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If he was 100% then he should have waved his flag and then put it across his chest when he got the referees attention to signal that he thinks it is a penalty. he didn't do that.
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Private Dancer
5:00 Mon Mar 7
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But there wasn't much to see, surely that's the point. It just goes back to should contact always mean a pen. The defender pulled out of the tackle.
Take your point though ref the linesman, but for me that jobsworth cunt with the flag needs to be 100% sure and i don't see how he could have been.
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Marston Hammer
4:53 Mon Mar 7
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I'm not sure about that PD. Bearing in mind where the contact was (knee on foot) the ref couldn't have seen it (as the defender's body was in the way), only the lino could. If the lino see the contact and thinks it's a foul the ref has gotta trust him on it.
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Full Claret Jacket
4:53 Mon Mar 7
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I think it's bizarre that you can get a penalty for the lightest touch (providing you throw yourself to the floor) but don't get one for being pulled back, pushed, hauled to the ground or hugged in the the penalty area. Can't get much more contact than that.
Too many ex pro pundits are all over this saying it's a penalty because he was 'touched'. It was a pretty lame penalty in my book. Benteke had knocked it too far, saw the guy coming and went over expecting more contact.
Rules need amending. I don't see penalties given to those who are 'touched' but try and stay on their feet. It's teaching really poor sportsmanship to our kids to try and dupe the referee.
Found it very funny watching Pardew sobbing about it though.
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Private Dancer
4:51 Mon Mar 7
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madeeasy - To be honest it's a real tough one mate. The defender, as you can see, pulled out late, so imo it was more ultimately a coming together than an actual foul, but at the same time you could say that the defender did impeed Benteke (put him off) but is that enough to warrant a pen? Remember, it's a contact sport. Benteke made the most of it, and to be honest you can't blame him for doing that.
I also don't like the lino making the final call, imo the ref should have stuck by his original instincts, I think he bottled it. It's impossible for the lino to be 100% sure, and if you're not 100% then you can't give it.
Had the pen not been given I don't think there would have been too many complaints.
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geoffpikey
4:43 Mon Mar 7
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Fortunes Hiding 4:13 Mon Mar 7
Read what I say. TECHNICALLY, there may have been some contact. But since when was football a complete no-contact sport?
What's more obvious is Benteke dived. Simulating pain. For a brush on his studs?! Big blouse. He conned the officials and should be embarrassed.
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-[Rasta]-
4:37 Mon Mar 7
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A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
depends if you think he trips him and if you do if it is in a careless manner.... all very subjective so in fact you are all correct.....
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madeeasy
4:28 Mon Mar 7
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PD pen or not though?
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Private Dancer
4:19 Mon Mar 7
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For the record, this EXACT same thing goes on here after every controversial pen decision. Just saying.
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Fortunes Hiding
4:13 Mon Mar 7
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Geoff,
If a defender makes a challenge, the forward doesn't have to try and get out the way. If you've played the game, you'd always want your attacker to leave his feet in, wait for the challenge, then go down.
It's a foul all day.
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geoffpikey
4:09 Mon Mar 7
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Technically, you could argue it was a foul as there was contact - a tiny amount between knee and studs.
But Benteke goes down with his face simulating pain. He even then said "I THOUGHT he touched me." The still photos show Delaney barely touched him.
If that's a "foul" every game would be 3-a-side within 20 minutes.
Thought Benteke was supposed to a strong young lad?
DIVE.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
3:56 Mon Mar 7
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Jasnik 3:42 Mon Mar 7
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It doesn't have to be dangerous play. If you are forced to hurdle a defender's leg and lose balance or momentum as a result, that is foul, as clearly defined in the laws of the game.
Harry Kane took the leg of Coquellin on Saturday. He could have easily hurdled the challenge and stayed on his feet. Whether he should have or not is a moot point, the fact is Coquellin gave himself a problem the moment he dived in and got nowhere near the ball.
I rarely have sympathy with players who are penalised this way unless the attacker has intentionally hung a leg out ala Robert Pires. The simple fact of the matter is that if you challenge for the ball and don't get it, there is a good chance you will be penalised. The answer is to make sure you play the ball or don't make the challenge at all.
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One McAvennieeeeee
3:53 Mon Mar 7
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I was talking about yours. I'm sure the PAVEMENT got a yellow.
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i-Ron
3:48 Mon Mar 7
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Not every bit of contact should be a foul.
If you have to fake how hard the foul is, scream and dive on the floor to get it....that's not a penalty for me. If he hit him hard enough to knock him over, that would be a foul.
It's like watching WWF at times.
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One McAvennieeeeee
3:45 Mon Mar 7
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They were still fouls though, Ron?
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